How Dark Souls Changed Combat

Most games with 3rd person combat have enemies with slow reactable attacks, and player characters with very quick unreactable attacks, such as Ocarina of Time, Devil May Cry, God of War, Batman Arkham, Witcher, and so on. The Soulsborne series made a bold decision with regards to this. The standard attack speed of most weapons is roughly the same speed as enemy attacks. This means that attacking after an enemy does generally means they’ll hit you first, interrupting you, unlike other series where your attack will come out first. This means you can no longer react to an enemy’s windup with an attack of your own.

By slowing down your attacks, the souls games put you on the same timescale as enemies. Enemies need to be slow so you can react to their attacks and defend against them, and slowing down your attacks to match theirs means there’s more of a risk that they’ll interrupt you before you interrupt them. This means that enemies can afford to rely on hitstun less to be threatening. Overall, it creates more of a neutral game between you and your opponents, where you jockey for position and try to use attacks strategically. Because you’re less sure to hit first, whiff punishing becomes more important to safely hitting enemies.

Slowing down attacks also means that attacks could be more diverse in the time at which they hit, and thereby exhibit a wider range of tradeoffs between damage, range, and speed, which Dark Souls leveraged to create a diverse assortment of weapons. Nioh then leveraged this further by attaching a bunch of moves to the same weapon, and finding ways to distinguish them all using the stance system.

There isn’t a lot to say about this. Slowing down attacks while keeping your defensive options fast is a simple effective trick for emphasizing more of the neutral game in any game with 3rd person combat. It makes individual enemies more threatening, and multiple enemy fights more dynamic too. Obviously not every game should work this way, but it’s cool in the games that use it.

4 thoughts on “How Dark Souls Changed Combat

  1. Alex Osmond September 14, 2020 / 6:24 pm

    I would be interested to learn what you think, if anything, of Mortal Shell. It has a ton of issues but I really enjoy my playthroughs including the no shell challenge run that is necessary for all achievements…


  2. Blismo October 13, 2020 / 5:44 am

    You do know Ninja Gaiden exist, right? Except, NG didn’t slow down player’s attack. It instead speed up enemies’ attack, and did a way better job on making multiple enemy fights more dynamic and individual enemies more threatening. Soulsborne game did not do that first, but NG did with better game design.


    • Santana November 6, 2020 / 9:23 pm

      It sped up enemies’ attacks so their individual attacks became less meaningful 90% of the time (except for throws and when there is a big enemy with long-winded attacks). You don’t have to work around every attack like in Souls games, you just block whatever comes at you and watch out for throws, while also being ready to dash when your guard breaks. That’s the only behaviour pattern these games demand of you. And I’m not talking about UT and other boring techniques.

      So I would argue that fights in NG are more dynamic. Faster? Yes. But there is a limit to human reaction, so you can’t just ramp up their speed and call it better enemies. And there is minimal positioning factor in NGs becuase you have almighty block and dash that even cancels you ouf of guard breaks. You don’t have to choose your position carefully, you can fight wherever.
      Honestly, NG games really bore me to death after playing any of them for 15 minutes. Every fight feel almost the same due to the factors I listed above.


  3. NAME February 18, 2021 / 11:06 pm

    You are putting way too much on block and dash in NG man. Try just that and see how long you last, gotta commit sometime or you’ll just get thrown spamming block. Or eventually dash into the pointy end of a blade. NG is ALL about positioning, and picking your spots and making decisive choices about enemies that are as fast as you are. Fittingly, it also gives you a lot of freeform movement to get away from the enemies, and the block and dash fit perfectly. It is almost the inverse of DS, except DS focuses a bit more on enemy placement. Blismo is kinda right: I think it’s somewhat disingenuous to kowtow to DS changing combat when NG exists.


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